Isaac Teel on Drake's Fake Abs, NYC Pizza & Why Single Men Need to Smell Better

0:00 Do you miss New York? I miss aspects of it. I miss my family. I miss the pizza. I miss the bagels. I miss the pasta. If you could bring one thing from New York to Denver, what would you bring? Pizza. Duh. Do you think the pizza here is as bad as they say it is? Yes. Or do I just not mind? Bad pizza? It doesn't. It doesn't rise like New York. And the dough is completely different. Do we need more Italians here? I don't even know because there's dope Mexicans making fire pizza in New York. Yeah, that's true. But also, they might have learned it from the Italians. Maybe you need Italians there at some point. At some point, but I don't know. I think you can do it without them. Do you think that's the first time anyone's ever said. Do you think we need more Italians here? Maybe. Maybe. We love our Italians. I grew up Catholic. Absolutely. All my friends are black Italian. Hey, everybody. Nick here. No, Andy.

0:47 This week he's in Nashville making yet another album. He makes an album every six weeks now. He's inevitable, much like AI is inevitable. And that's why I'm going to get into this Velvet Sundown thing. And nobody will shut up about lately. I'm going to look right now, actually. Let's see how many. They're up to 1.2 million monthly listeners. And if you're not familiar with Velvet Sundown, also, you can pre-save their album. I think it's funny. They're completely I created. We can't play the music on here, can we? Do you think we'd probably get hit with, like, a drone strike or whatever? Daniel Elk's gonna, you know, Daniel Elk, the owner of Spotify, invest like, billions of dollars into, like, defense corporations. And people are mad at him for making letting elevator music made by robots come onto his his thing.

1:32 Look. I don't know, man. I don't know about I it's like I don't think it's going to affect like for Andy, like Andy Frasco, for example. Let's use him since you all know who he is. I don't think I will affect Andy Frasco. Do you know what I mean by that? Like, I think truly creative people with their own personality are not going to get hit by, uh, by this bullshit. I wish I could play it for you, but we can't. But it's like, basically sounds like 70s music, right? Sounds like khruangbin mixed with like. Right. I think it's like a little bit crunk. Been mixed with, like, 70s vibes with like the worst vocals. They even have like fake pictures of the guys and they kind of look like, I like they look like the human version, like, there's these people anyway that are I anyway, those humans, those people in LA, they'll just like grow their hair out and now they're a songwriter. They're basically I anyway, they're doing the same thing this, this program is doing where it's just copying all the music ever made and whittling it down into something digestible so it can be played in the background at Jersey Mike's, you know what I mean? While you get a Philly cheesesteak.

2:33 And that's why, I don't know, it's like you can get as mad as you want at this stuff instead of the defense contractor thing. Uh, but the thing is, it's not going anywhere. I is inevitable. It's like, how were you? How old were you when the internet first came out? Were you old enough to remember people resisting it, talking to Jack, our producer, because he's the only other person here? I'm lonely. Only I'm all by myself and I'm lonely. My girlfriend's out of town and playing video games and making clips. Um, yeah. Like it's like that. It's like when the internet first came out, no one, like, everybody thought it was going to go away in two years, or cable TV or fucking avocado toast or the self-checkout or Andy Cohen or fucking the McRib. You know what I mean?

3:16 It's like, you cannot like this thing all you want, but people are using it. It's not going away. It's just going to be more. So. I think, uh, what we should do with the AI thing is just shut up about it. I think that's the best way we can fight. This is everybody just shut up about it. And if you don't like it, don't engage with it. I do have a theory that and this is probably verifiable, that most of these monthly listeners are digital themselves. Right. And it's like. That's such a weird concept. It's like that data internet thing where it's like, so it's fake accounts listening to fake music. So it's just like this circle of things that don't exist or are created by AI.

3:57 But how is that going to make money? Because like what? Where's the money from the bots coming? Like at some point they're not going to make money off that because a bot doesn't generate probably enough Spotify streams to pay for itself, right? So what's going to. So it's kind of like I'm a used to be a freelance copywriter. I still do it sometimes too. And there's been a big, uh, thing with AI and copywriting too, where I sort of got rid of the freelance copywriter because all these websites are using fake things to write their paragraph blog for them, but they're starting to realize that that stuff doesn't get any engagement. And the only people reading that stuff is other bots. So they're going back to using humans again. And I think that's what's going to happen with this music. And even if it doesn't, this music kind of sucks anyway. It's like the worst kind of music, which is like not bad music. You would think that bad music's the worst kind of music, but it's not. It's like it's kind of why everybody used to make fun of Nickelback for a long time.

4:48 Like they could basically be AI, you know what I'm saying? Or like some band like that. Imagine like, oh, we talk about Imagine Dragons. Isaac's gonna be on later. Uh, one of my best friends here in, uh, Denver. Great drummer, great musician, and a good guy. Um, we got into talking about Imagine Dragons and how basic and boring they are and stuff like that, and it's kind of the same thing. It's like. So like some Mormon gets to make $10 million instead of an IT guy. That's basically the difference here with I like I just think that like, humans are already kind of doing this anyway. And the truly creative, great musicians. Ozzy Osbourne, for example, he just had his farewell concert. There's not going to like, you can't recreate Ozzy Osbourne, you can't recreate Limp Bizkit, you can't recreate, uh, any, like, any jazz. Well, maybe some shitty jazz, maybe some smooth jazz. The Weather Channel, jazz, even some of that, though you can't recreate. Like, I can only make stuff off what it already knows about. It can't create new things.

5:44 So I think it's like something not to be too worried about. And I also don't think these bands are going to make any money because of what I talked about earlier with the bots. So I don't know. That's my take on I. Ah, shit. Um. Oh, yeah. My other thing I want to talk about. Oh, yeah, we got into that because the band names thing that video I had with the band names, and, uh, I was thinking about Phish and how their band, they were in town last weekend, and I was thinking about how they were in town and how they're sort of like, we were texting about this, about the how they're the Jeff Goldblum of music. So like, I was thinking about this, like how they were in town and how they still have all these fans, even though they're kind of niche.

6:26 They've never really been on TV. They they have their, you know, a very niche audience, but they're creative and like, that's another band you couldn't recreate with Phish. That could never happen. You can't make a guy in a dress on I. But like, there I was thinking about like, what is the actor equivalent? I already told you, but the actor equivalent of Phish. And I was thinking, it's got to be a dude, right? Because they're dude, it's a guy music. It can't be a woman. The woman. The women know it's games are for or for dudes, and this guy might be a little too good looking to be fish as an actor, but he is very talented. And I think it's Jeff Goldblum, right? I think Jeff Goldblum is the I guess who was first probably fish, right? They started in the early 80s, I don't know, maybe around the same time.

7:12 So they are the like the equivalent of each other as an actor. He's like, you know, he's got his own unique fan base. He's had a really high peak, you know, like Jurassic. He's in one of the biggest movies ever, Jurassic Park. He's got some famous lines. Everybody's kind of heard of Jeff Goldblum, but like, he's not Brad Pitt or anything, you know what I mean? Like, who's Brad Pitt? Who Brad Pitt be? He'd be like the Eagles, you know what I mean? Good looking, good at what he does. Easy to pilot. Incredibly famous. Will probably still be watching his movies in 200 years. Uh, Radiohead. Who do you think Radiohead is? Adam Driver? That's a good one, right? Kind of mysterious. Not sort of like dark, but also can play anything. Some of this stuff sucks.

7:53 Some of it's really good. Which I kind of think about Radiohead to, you know, like Radiohead's either, like they're kind of like Pink Floyd for me, where it's like, hey, this is either the best thing I've ever heard in my life or this is garbage, which is actually a good thing. Tool. I have a girl for this one. Toni Collette. Right. What do you think? Uh, what about, uh, Limp Bizkit? I couldn't think of one for them. You need someone who's, like, trashy. This would be a good voicemail call. You guys call me in, and you tell me. Give me a call on the voicemail line. It's in the description. Tell me who you think the actor equivalent of Limp Bizkit is, or just really any other any other band?

8:35 I haven't talked to Andy in like a while, so I was going to give his manager a call, see what he's up to, because I know he talks to him every day. Do you think he'll answer for you? Probably not. I think either, probably not. Or definitely because he might. I never call him. So nothing's ever wrong. I gotta find him here. Hold on. Matt. I doubt he answers. I should just call a bunch of people and see if anyone answers your call.

9:20 Nope. All right, let me see. Who should I call next? Oh, I know who I want to call. It'd be good to get, like, a supercut of me just having no one. No one answering. We can, like, cut this down a little bit, too. I'm gonna call Barbara. It's a supercut of me calling people and then not answering. Who shot. Barber? It's Nick. You're on the podcast. Oh my God, Gerlach. It's just me, though.

10:02 No, Andy, I was just talking to myself. I'm just in this room talking to myself right now, and I was. I was talking about that. Have you heard of this new age band, Velvet Sundown? How could you not hear about it? They spent $1 billion advertising it. Well, I don't know. You just had a baby. I don't know how online you are lately. Literally, it was everywhere. They're like, oh my, everyone. And it's all like. Like Rick Beato from YouTube and stuff, like, all like just randomly deciding to talk about this band all at the same time. Ooh, conspiracy theory. Barber, what do you think about it? And they're all getting paid to hate on it, but talk about how inevitable it is. Mhm. It's exactly what I was just doing. Fuck I need to get paid for this.

10:46 You should get paid for that. Well, it is inevitable, though, don't you think? No, I don't actually think it's inevitable. I think that, uh, that music serves, like, a very social purpose. Like Won't Get Fooled Again. It was, like, the biggest song of the 90s. I can't get no satisfaction to sex because there's all these bands that serve as pivotal roles in the history of the music business, and they want to remove all that. So because they don't want to pay those people, that's all it is. And do you think computers are going to come up with that now? No, that's actually I kind of said that to me. And Jack were talking. We were saying. Formed in 1961. I was made in 1961. We still be listening to Elvis today.

11:30 Different forms of Elvis. Right, right, right. But, like. Don't you think it'll just replace, like, background music and ads and shit like that? It'll be like just the new placeholder music. But, I mean, you can do that. You can make that kind of music with with using human ingredients. Right. But it's cheaper to do it with AI. AI that will help you organize that. It'll help you project manage that and help you put your beats together. But the samples and the playing and stuff is all human. So maybe DJs will be replaced by AI, except for the really good ones. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know, the DJ world is weird. It's like, do they want like really hot girls doing the stuff or do they want. Yeah. Doing it or you know, do they, do they want to like really expressive people? It's weird.

12:16 It is kind of it's weird. It reminds me of like, the early internet, you know. It's just it's just like there's a certain punk, um, aspect of, I mean, I guess the I could, like, go around Reddit and look for people complaining and make music about that, you know, along the lines of people complaining. Yeah. Like they can figure out how to make, like revolutionary music with I probably I don't know why they wouldn't be able to do that, but I don't think. I don't think the point of AI is to get us, you know, better music. I don't think it is either. No. It's just it's like the people who, you know, everybody's on Spotify and they're just like, happy on Spotify. And Spotify is going to take all that money that they get from people and say, how do we spend less?

13:08 And they've already like, cut everybody's streaming fees down to really small small amounts. Right. And they're getting so much pushback every time they lower streaming fees that they just probably think that lowering streaming fees further isn't an option for them. Right. And, you know. Speaking of DJs, do you think that I can replace Mark Brownstein as a DJ? I don't think. I could get his voice right on the microphone when he hits the crowd. Hey, everybody, I'm ChatGPT 4.5. All right. I love this song. Let's see your hands in the air. Where are you right now? Are you on the road? Uh, we're playing in the round tonight in Cape Cod. And the round so people can see your butt. Yeah. On a spinning stage. I don't think I like that.

13:59 I feel very exposed with people behind me to. I don't like that. It's a little weird. It definitely like. It definitely hits your, like, balance. You get used to it, but, like, you can't move around too much on stage because you could, like, fly off the edge of the stage by mistake. That'd be hilarious, actually. The whole thing is moving. Everything's moving. So you, like, walk towards something, and then by the time you get there, it's moved. So you have to like. Oh, weird. You you have to hope that your body adjusts, makes a little micro adjustments. But I was just out there, and sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes you're like, in it, you do what you normally do and then you end up walking off the stage. Oh my God. We'll see what happens.

14:41 That's crazy. But you can sell more tickets. You guys aren't going to follow what everybody else, every other bands doing. And fire your drummer. Are you? Or get get a new drummer. Right. You guys are good with Alan for a while. It seems like a pretty hip thing to do. I mean, definitely everybody's doing it. Varying style to get a new drummer right now. It's like bell bottoms. Yeah. I mean, bell bottoms will come back, you know? Yeah, they have to. I will probably see them in a, you know, rolling Stone ad about latest fashions for 1978, coming back in 1998. And then they'll make it come back again. Yeah. Yeah. I'm old drummers make a comeback though. Like I don't see any of these bands getting their original drummers and putting them back in the band. No, they're not doing that, are they? Who else just quit? The guy just quit Pearl jam.

15:25 Matt Cameron just quit Pearl jam. Umphrey's got a new drummer, somebody else. Goose has a new one every six months. Did, um, did the Metallica bass player quit and then they put him back in? Probably. Who knows who can keep up with those crazy guys? What town are you in? You said. Cape Cod. Oh, I like Cape Cod. It's like rich white trash. You know what I mean? It's actually. It's a good way to describe it. Yeah. It's like. Yeah, it's like they kind of party still. They have, like, a a bad sunburn, like all the time. You and I. White trash though. I'm white trash. I don't think you are. I don't think you're white trash. I think you're something else. I'm definitely white trash.

16:07 You're probably more like I don't know. I don't know what you are. Maybe an orb of light or spirit. I'm an orb of light, I like that, yeah. You're not, I don't think. I don't think you're real. I don't I'm not still not fully convinced you exist either. Mine? Hell, yeah. Dude, even when you had a second kid. What about when you had kids that you weren't like? Man, maybe I do exist. No, no, no, it doesn't, because the kids are just part of your your, like, like, mental arrangement, you know? Yeah. So maybe you're like, they don't exist either. One thing about having kids, you, after a couple of years when they've been around for a couple of years and they don't leave, they never leave, right? They're always there. Yeah yeah. Yeah. Yeah yeah.

16:49 Like a like when you get Lyme disease. I'll see you in a month, right. They're always there and always like, hang out with me. Hang out with me. After a while. You do. You can't imagine what life was like without them. Interesting. Even though it's only been a few years. Yeah, yeah. Like if I think about when I was 20, I'm like, where was River when I was 20? Oh, yeah. Yeah, dude. Yeah. It's weird. I'm like that with tequila. Yeah. Anyway, you got a message for these listeners before you go. Any motivation? Any. If we're going to talk about tequila, I think, you know, 1 or 2 shots of tequila is a good thing. That's good, I like that. My message for your listeners. Couple shots. If you go to six, you know, you might need a ride home.

17:31 Yeah, you might need a ride home. I gotta grab an Uber. All right. All right, Barbara, I'll let you get back to your show. Thanks for helping me kill eight minutes later. Bye. I love hanging with you guys. Let's do it again. Yeah. Hit me up when you're in town in September from Mishawaka. All right. Peace. Yeah. Later. There you go, Barber. He always has a. I like him because, uh, he always has, like, an opinion where we kind of agree, but then he'll, like, go to the left, like he's not afraid to disagree with you, which I like. Okay. Matt told me to call him back. I like, tell him they're on the podcast right away. They don't expect that from me. What's up? Matt, you're on the podcast. It's Nick. Oh, God. What's up?

18:13 Andy's not here, though. It's just me and you. Buddy. Let's talk. Yeah, I want to talk to you without Andy around, and, uh, you know, somewhere private, like a recorded podcast. I haven't talked to him this week. How are things going in the Frasco camp? Everything's good. Yeah, I. Got some shows, lots of music being made. Lots of lots of things. It's good. Yeah. Do you think he's doing a good job? Do you think he's behaving himself in Nashville right now? Uh, he's writing songs, I don't know. You think he's being a good boy? Uh, I haven't asked that question, and I don't want to know. Oh, yeah, it's kind of a don't ask, don't tell thing with Andy, huh? Correct. Unless I get a call from the police.

18:54 It's, uh. Everything's okay. Are you going to come to our show? Yes. He's coming. Everybody. Levitt. August 2nd. Andy. Frasco. I heard the opener is killing. Killing the best thing you've ever heard. The Colts. They're really good. They're. No, they're not as not probably not as good as Andy. But we're pretty good. It's really good. Is there anything I should be doing different for this podcast that I can improve without Andy around to filter it? No, I think, uh. I'm a great co-host. Calling people and putting them on the spot. It makes everyone feel super welcome and inviting. It's great. Yeah, it's kind of. It's kind of fun to know you're being recorded, huh? Uh, this will live in podcast land forever, so. I'm so stoked.

19:36 It's actually it's been recorded twice because the FBI has my phone tapped too. So this is going out everywhere. All right, so do you have any, uh. I'm gonna I'm gonna make you do the thing Andy does. Do you have any motivation for everybody this week? Um, just work hard and keep a positive attitude. Oh my. God. That's why you're a manager and not an artist. I could have done that. Come on, try again. I'm not. I'm not as creative as you guys are. That's true. I've been sending emails all day, so my brain is fried. Yeah. That's good, that's good. All right, well, I'll let you go. I just wanted to see if if if Andy's in trouble or anything. I haven't talked to him this week. He's not in trouble. No hot. Goss. He's making. He's making music, which is a good thing. Yeah, he's good at it. Yes. Unfortunately.

20:18 All right, well, I'll let you go. Bye bye. All right. Work hard and be good to people and be. I don't know, man. That's stupid. What's some better motivation this week? Um. Don't follow. I shit online unless you really want to care. If you like it, who gives a shit? Fucking listen to it. Everybody just shut up about it. I do like his theory about them paying to advertise it, because it's like no press or bad press can be good press, you know? But then at the same time, I wonder, I just don't see how this is going to make money long term, I don't know. Like I said, this is what happens when you have it. Guys running the music industry. Anyway, we got Isaac up next for you. Me and my friend Isaac. It's very funny.

20:59 We have a lot of good, good time. We talk about Drake and religion and how single men need to smell better. Anything else we touched on? I can entice them with. Oh, that's pretty good stuff. Stick around. Bye, Andy. I'll be back next week. I love you. World saving podcast listeners. I'm sorry. Yo, yo, Andy's not here. He's even. Where is he right now? Probably Nashville. He's saving the world. He's doing something cool on Instagram with his cool friends, making songs that hopefully someone will buy. Anyway. So I have a special sitting guest here today drummer, musician, drummer and musician. Because not all drummers are musicians. This is very true.

21:40 And not all musicians are drummers, but they all think they are. They all want to be. Singer fragrance guy. Hey what's up? And our resident black correspondent, Isaac. Tell everybody give it up for Isaac. Wait, which one's the. Nope. Wrong. I'll take that. I don't need the applause. Give me the horn. I don't know the buttons. What's up man? How you doing? You getting ready to do a gig? So we had to squeeze you in here. I appreciate the squeeze, man. I'm feeling great. Feeling good? Yeah. You just. You just got back from New York. I did. I was writing some music with the Talk Boys and Kanika Moore and Lyle Divinsky. That's a fun group, man. Yeah, it's a good time. Lyle's always smiling. I wonder what he's hiding under there. I don't think he's hiding anything. I think he's a genuinely happy dude. Well, I wonder what that's like.

22:23 It's a little scary sometimes, but, I mean, I enjoy the positivity. What do you think about the, uh, this whole Mike Brown hiring? Are you into. It? I am into it because I feel. Like I know you can't. You probably can't talk about it too much here. We got to be careful. No no, no. But we he brings winning. And so, you know, I'm I'm here for winning. We need a winning culture. We also need a coach who's offensively minded because our last he's. Basically the opposite of Tom Thibodeau. Pretty much we're getting right into sports. Yeah let's go. Do you miss. New York. I miss aspects of it I miss my family. I miss the pizza. I miss the bagels. I miss the pasta. What how long have you been in Denver now? Six years. Yeah. You moved here before Covid, right? Yeah, but I was in New York when Covid hit and they shut everything down. Oh, wow. It was intense. Ghost town, New York. Oh my God.

23:08 Scary. Really. Some I am legend type. If you could bring one thing from New York to Denver, what would you bring? Pizza. Duh. Do you think the pizza here is as bad as they say it is? Yes. Or do I just not mind bad pizza? It doesn't. It doesn't rise like New York and the dough is completely different. Do we need more Italians here? I don't even know because there's dope Mexicans making fire pizza in New York. Yeah, that's true. But also, they might have learned it from the Italians. Maybe you need Italians there at some point. At some point, but I don't know. I think you can do it without them. Do you think that's the first time anyone's ever said. Do you think we need more Italians here? Maybe. Just kidding.

23:50 We love our Italians. I grew up Catholic. Absolutely. All my friends. Are black Italian. I mean, yeah. Did you bring your fragrances with you? I want to talk about. I sure did. Uh, what do you got? I tell Isaac is like, I got him on here. I want him to promote. He's trying to make dollars out of scents. Yeah. So I have a new fragrance line called Forever Sinclair. That's the brand name. Um, and it's literally just a perfect marriage of essential oils and Egyptian oils. So I have a guy in New York who gets Egyptian oils, literally just straight from Egypt. What would. Hope so? Imported into New York. What if they're not from Egypt? I guess that people lie all the time. I mean, people lie all the time.

24:30 I mean, like, I'm from Zimbabwe and it could be anything, but I mean. MAGA. Hats. I've been making fragrances for myself for at least the past 20 years. Isaac does. You can't tell right now, but you can. He smells good all the time. I try to, you know, there's there's just people out here that don't even recognize that they don't smell good. I feel like I smell pretty good. Yeah, I used I'm not a big Cologne, dude. I do buy expensive soaps. But the thing is about Cologne is there's like. Or whatever it is. Four different alcohols for every Cologne. So anytime you walk in a American Eagle or Sephora, it's the same smell. It's all the same stuff. And that's why I never thought about that. No alcohol, no alcohol. It's a perfect marriage. Exactly.

25:10 So you can drink it and drive I forever. Sinclair's the name. I have 13 signature scents, which is pretty crazy. Well, how long does it take to. How did you get into this? First of all? Well, I was living in Bed-Stuy, Brooklyn, and I stumbled upon this little shop, this little mom and pop shop, and this guy had a bunch of oils in his back, but I wasn't going there for oils. I was going there for incense. And he was like, you should smell this. And I was like, oh, cool, it smells great. And then I got two scents from him that I loved and wore for like 15 years. And then I was like, all right, finally you got to give me a crash course on all of these scents. And I spent like an hour and change with him, and he closed the store for me, which is kind of crazy. He was just like, wow, my friend.

25:56 He's a he's a good dude. But I gave him my album and he was just so ecstatic. He was like, man, I love your music. It's so good. And then he closed the store and gave me rundowns of like almost every oil there. And I was like, okay, well, so. He's like, is he like old? He's older. He's like in his 70s. He's like a sensei of sense. Sense. Oh, a sensei. You know, that's not the first time I heard that. Oh, damn it. I thought I was clever. I'm usually pretty clever. But I might have to roll with it. It's. Damn it, it's good, it's good, but. Yeah, I mean, I honestly love tying in. I'm huge on on on like sense. Are they. Unisex? I have a they are unisex. Um. And you can wear I mean, I've, I have things that I've put on that smell different on everyone. So, you know, I could roll the same roll on you and on myself, and it'll smell different.

26:44 That's not a thing with Cologne. No, it's because of the alcohol. The alcohol reacts to alcohol. Yeah, it's. It's weird. So everybody's pheromones. Some people, it makes them smell bad. Some people it makes them leave their family. Some. Some things that makes people cheat. Yeah. It makes you drink. Yeah. Sometimes you end up in prison. Sometimes you smell good, though. Exactly, exactly. So, I mean, I love it, I really enjoy it. And it's great because the best part about it is like, not even necessarily the signature scents. It's the when I get the emails or text messages or DMs that say, hey, can you replicate this? Or I want to smell like the wood from Toy Story. Yeah. The baseboards in Toy Story. Exactly.

27:25 So that's that's the most fun part for me because I get to now have homework for my nose. Homework for your nose? Yeah. That's, uh, there's people in Denver that be doing homework for their nose. Yeah. I mean, it's extracurricular. It means a little something. Yeah. They're not doing homework. They're doing extracurricular. After school activities. If you sometimes during school activities, never once. Hello. Bathrooms at lock. Sometimes. Oh, man. So what's your like? What do you think? Uh, we have a lot of single male listeners out there. Give them a pitch on why they should use this to smell better. Well, we're trying to get people laid on this podcast. I would say, for. Right, Jack. For both ladies and men. I think that taking care of yourself outside of fragrances.

28:07 They already know how to get. You know what I mean? They're better with it. They don't, though, because girls don't really? You're saying you're single? I guess you know better than I. Um. I like this, girls. What do you mean? Girls don't have. Girls don't have game. They. They wait for guys to either. We're generalizing here. Don't get mad. Yeah, we're generalizing here. I would say the majority of girls don't have game. If they really are interested in you, they will put themselves in a position to be seen. And that's the game. That's the game. So either you pay attention to the signs. Men are really bad at that, I think. Yeah, because we're not locked in. But like then three years later you'll be sitting there like reading or watching a TV show and you're like. Damn it, remember that girl that gave me the eyes at the airport? Yeah. You're like. Oh. Shit. That's. She didn't want to watch a movie.

28:49 I gotta go to Craigslist for casual encounters. I should have told her I already seen Creed two. Damn it. Oh my gosh. But honestly, yeah, I don't know. So girls don't have game. But you could argue that guys don't have game anymore either. Oh yeah, for. Our grandfathers they had game. They would stalk a woman and stalk her and go to her workplace and make himself the only man available to her until they said yes. And they also didn't have social media to distract her. Exactly. Yeah. That's true. So there's that. That's the the paradox of too many options. Yeah. Overall hygiene. Take care of yourself, people. People notice that shit. Please bathe. Please moisturize. Especially here in Colorado. Please, please. Yeah. White people. You can get ashy, too. All right. Listen, you totally can.

29:31 You totally can. You can crack. And, you know, they say this term black don't crack, but there's a contingency. You got to take care of it. Yeah. It could. It could easily. Be Morgan Freeman. No, listen. He's looked 70 since he was 30. I love. Morgan. But he. Has. He has he has been. He's been 70. Since he's been 76. 87 since lean on me. The first. Bush. Yeah. The first Bush movie. Or. Presidency? He's been. That's funny. All right. So? So. Yeah. So pitch man. Why? They should smell good. So, guys. We don't have any female listeners. I'm just kidding. That's a shame. No, we do, actually. We do. Fellas, take care of yourself. Like, Andy, you know, it shows when you take care of yourself. Honestly. And that's the most attractive thing.

30:12 It's not necessarily having a game and going and having a line that you talk to a girl, they could see it on you. So if you take care of yourself, you have the love for yourself. They're going to want to love the love that you have for yourself. I gave you that one for free. I like that this is from a man that has a lot of game. I used to play basketball in high school, and I'm 40 now, and I. You're 40. I am. When's your birthday? April 23rd. Oh, shit. 85. 40s are great. I don't know about them yet, I mean. Oh, you'll be fine. Fresh couple months in. You ain't got no kids. Nah, nah. Nothing tying you. Down. I got sneakers and I got drums. Those are my kids. Those are my kids. I feel like.

30:53 A sneaker thing's, like, kind of died off a little bit. You know what I'm talking about. It's weird because there's such hype culture when it comes. Hype culture in general actually is dying off. Like the thought of God. Honestly, you're. Not seeing, like, supreme hoodies like you used. Do you think it's because people are poor or because that's corny or both? No, I don't know if they're poor. I feel like they're just wising up. There are the younger generation that are still on the hype, but I feel like they will never know what it feels like to stand on line at a footlocker for a release that may not come back out. So you're saying the internet ruined everything? Oh, yeah. But it's also great because now I can get my favorite shoes from when I was a kid. That's true. On Instagram, through someone's story. It's like a double edged sword.

31:34 Shout out to eBay all kicks because I literally get all my shoes from him. Yeah, no free ads. I'm just. Kidding. Hype culture is dying. I hope so. Let's get back into, you know, actually going. No more Drake shit. You know what I mean? Do you see, he bought abs. I did see that. And I was. Like. Sir. But he really see that he, like, paid to get, like, ab implants. Oh, yeah. Yeah. What kind of a fucking psycho shit is that when you already have $400 million? He's just doing the most. I think he's just still trying to get Rihanna, man. He's always at a ten. Do you think it's just because Rihanna will never. Or is it Nicki Minaj? Which one is he in love with? I mean, if you're if you're. Rihanna. Right? You could be Rihanna. You could literally have anybody you want. The thing is, he's so I feel like he's just weird. He's just a weirdo.

32:17 There's something off about him, man. Yeah, like music is cool, but then you get to, like, talking with him and he's just not there. You can, like, see through his ears. In high school, he would have been like that theater kid that was trying to look like. He was, like, tough, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. I mean, he's mixed. And, you know, I'm sure. Like, and Canadian, they're just automatically. There is a thing with that, I guess. Yeah, he's biracial Canadian. But don't harp down on the theater kids because that was me. I know, but they are, like, weird. He was a band kid. I can say whatever I want. You know, I mean, like, they're not tough. No, they're not tough. They're not, like. Unless you play on the basketball team and on the bowling team. Yeah. You're not. I'm not like a theater kid. Like the people that make that, like, their whole identity. Oh, yeah. For sure. They have the billions of.

32:58 People forget he started as an actor, but that future album he did with was pretty sick. Yeah, I never even watched Degrassi, funny enough. No, it's Canadian bullshit. Who gives a. Fuck? How did that make it to the States, though? It was on Nickelodeon. Yeah, but Nickelodeon's a very Canadian company, if you look into it. Oh, really? Yeah, they're sort of infiltrating us. It's like a miss 13 programming to make Canada seem cool. I did not know that. Yeah. Nickelodeon. It's a tool. I mean, I love the old school Nickelodeon. I don't know about this new. Even back then. Like, what was that show with the slime? Uh oh. Um. Guts? No. Like, uh, um, Alanis Morissette was on it. Yes, that was Canadian. Marc Summers is Canadian. Like a lot of those shows started in Canadian. Oh, wow. Yeah. So I think it's a tool of the Canadian deep state. Interesting. I love Canada though. I love.

33:43 Canada rules. Actually. Toronto is a great city. Toronto is great. But it's like kind of an international city, like London or New York. Have you ever been to like Vancouver? Yeah, I haven't been there, but I've been to New Brunswick. No, that's like French Canada a little bit still. Okay. Very weird there. I will say like, we have better like like we bang a little harder, you know what I mean? Like, it's sort of. I always say Canada is kind of like when you get the cereal, like the American culture version of this, it's like, you know, at the bottom there's like the cereal that's in the bag, but it's like the fake Lucky. Charms that's at the bottom of the That's Drake. That's like Drake. Is with the no frills. Yeah. He's just like the fake. Like.

34:24 Sort of like he's Hydrox. I could see that. I mean, the thing is, I love early Drake. Do you think he got a BBL to God? That's gotta be the question. That's the song, right? BBL, Drizzy. It is. I mean, fake abs. Or maybe he's just into fake asses. Yeah. Do you guys think Drake's cooked? And if so, what. No I don't think he's cooked. I don't think he's cooked. I think that. I think he's too famous. I think he benefited from all this. Kendrick 100%. There's no like, you know, there's no such thing. And people think like, oh, Drake's career is over because he got a diss track. He's too famous for his career. He didn't have to make any music and stay relevant. No, he's crossed the Mendoza line of fame where he'll always be relevant, for sure. And he's like, good looking.

35:06 And he's you know what I mean? He's Canadian. Money. He can go anywhere. And people recognize. Yeah, he's Canadian. There's what, three cool people there like The Weeknd. Steve Nash, one of them. Yeah, but is he cool or is he just good at basketball? I think he's just good at basketball. Yeah, I don't think he's cool. Like, would you want to get a beer with Steve Nash? I don't think so. Maybe. Actually, yes. Because he's got good basketball fan. Yes. Yeah, yeah, you're right, but I don't want to talk to him about movies. No, I will not talk. Oh, actually, doesn't he make movies? That's news. I think he made some documentaries. Whatever. That's news. I don't. Know. How is this dude going to be okay after, like. Because he's a sociopath? Yeah. Drake's going to be okay psychologically because Drake is a sociopath. That's how he got that famous. Why would you get fake abs?

35:47 You're six four. He's probably. He has to have hair implants at this point, right? I mean, everything you. Don't get fake abs isn't the first thing you get. You know what I'm saying? No. You go to Turkey and you get the hair plugs. Yeah, or he's probably rich enough. He just came to him, but, like. Like, that's not the first alteration to your body. You don't start with fake abs. If you're a guy. I would see how first fake abs. What else? What else is going above abs? You take your shirt off. BBL. PBL na. Lip injection. Na na. That's all. That's abs first. If I were to get any work done. Yes. Do you think. Women like abs, or do you think other men like. Abs?

36:27 No, I think I think both. Yeah, yeah. But I think women love abs. Sometimes I feel like the body sculptor guys on Instagram. It's like mostly other dudes that are. But honestly, that's fine. Having abs like that right now, it's not even technically in the dad bod, is it? Yeah, abs are corny, right? As I say, as an overweight. Guy, yeah, I would say no. That's an overweight. I'm trying to get my. Abs are corny, abs are out. What's in right now is being, like, pretty overweight and not taking care of your body. Yeah, I. Think and pickleball. And pickleball, pickleball, drinking, being overweight, it's all bad. I mean, look at Leonardo DiCaprio. Oh, my gosh, that's such a shame. He's got a new girl born after nine, 11 every three weeks or whatever. Sad but true. Sad but true. So what's up with talk?

37:12 Oh, man, we're doing good. We're writing so much music, and I think that. I feel like you guys have been taking a little time off of playing live. Yeah, I think the industry in itself, you know, I mean, Jack was just talking about this. It's in a weird place, like no one's trying to kill themselves on tour anymore. I know. Like, we would love. Andy. Frasco. Yeah. I mean. Andy Frasco last tour for his upcoming tour dates. We are playing together August 2nd at Levitt Pavilion. Anyway, shout out to Andy for, you know. It helps that. He's killing himself on tour because he's making the world a better place. One jump from the stage at a time. One at a time. Exactly. Every day. You guys don't know this, but he makes me do it before we record the podcast. Wow. That's dedication. I'm his boytoy. His beautiful goyim. That's so funny.

37:56 But, yeah, we're doing good. We're just writing a bunch of music and not trying to kill ourselves on tour. That's cool. Yeah. I mean, he's got kids. Yeah. I feel like. Honestly, everybody's probably gonna have kids before me, and I'm the oldest. I feel like Matt is coming for Matt. Oh, it's coming for Matt. I know his wife. It's coming for his wife. I'm loving her TikToks. She's hilarious. She's like, she should be an actress. Uh, well, I mean, these days, all you gotta do is be on TikTok. They did a great video the other day where, like, he was just saying a random person's name, and then she would do an impression of him. But it was just like an impression of a guy named Phil. Not. Oh, yeah, not a famous. Yeah, she's. She's snapped into it so fast. I know she's good. She's good. She's a star. There's a there's a game that I like to play with my girl. And it's called you. Have a. Girl. Name that person I sure do. Breaking news. Hard launch. Isaac Thiel is taken. Oh.

38:41 Sorry, ladies. She is the greatest person. I ain't even gonna put her on blast like that. Just know that. She's a Denver gal. No, she's a queen. I'm not even gonna put her where she's at. Okay, that's fair, but she doesn't live in Denver. No. Smart long distance is great, man. Yeah, you know it is. And it isn't. Me and my girlfriend were long distance for, like, a year. One time. It was maybe the best year of my life. Yo, honestly, absence does make the heart grow fonder. Yeah, it does, but I'm huge on solitude, so. And she lived here. I was on tour all the time, so it's like, even if we lived together, it's not like we saw each other basically the same amount. That's fair, that's fair. Oh, but I was telling you about the game. Game? The game is whenever you go to a restaurant. Oh, yes. You try to guess people's names.

39:23 Oh, that's pretty fun. So. And if you do it right, you can get your waiter or waitress on it in on it. Oh, yeah. And they can actually confirm because they have the credit card. It's called the name game. She invented it. You know what I would do? I would just guess Muhammad for everybody cause that's it's the most common name in the world. Read a book for once. Yeah. So you just guessed Muhammad for everyone. One name. Yeah. What are your Irish. When you got the ID? Yeah. Either Muhammad or John for men. And I don't know what it would be for women. You know, it's funny. She's really good at the game. I just started being really good at it. But a lot of Mats and Ryan's around here. Oh, yeah. You're in Denver. It's it's. There's a good amount of nicks. It's Denver. So not that many jacks. Not many jacks. It's like a boomer name.

40:04 Yeah, it's like a guy who. Yeah. Jack's like a I just got home from World War Two name. Sports reporter that they hung out with the bar. That's cool. That's a great story. A drunken sports. I feel like all sports reporters are alcoholics. Oh, yeah. For sure. You know, they're sipping. All they do is go to games. SIP it up. Bobo's. What's so you ever you ever find out if you're right or not? Right. About what? Oh, about their names. Yeah. So you gotta ask. I was I was with my lady at the time, and we were in Charleston, and, um, I asked the waiter, I was like, so what do you think their names are just a random couple across the way. And he was like, I don't know, but I'm gonna find out. I was like, okay, don't tell them that we want to know their names. Just. Yeah, you just got to find out.

40:55 Chill, bro. Keep it chill. What is your name? I guessed Michelle was not her name. Um, and I can't remember what. My Michelle's are blonde usually. Yeah, I could see that being a thing. This kind of feels like it, probably does because like, I knew one Michelle. We were totally off. And then we talked to the couple and they were like, what do you think our names are? And they said, Rico and Delilah. Well, you're never gonna guess. Rico. Somebody said that I'm a Rico. Oh, for you, that's for me. That's the dumbest thing. That sounds like a drug dealer nickname. Like I'm a character on GTA. That's kind of. Racist, actually. Them calling you Rico sounds racist. It's just really funny. I was like, that makes no sense, but I'll take it. So now we're both Rico and Delilah to each other. That's a dangerous game for a white person to play with a black man. Yeah, it's. I would still play.

41:45 His name is DeVante Jones. Jones. He put the last name on there. God damn DeVante Tayshaun Williams. No it's actually Muhammad. One name. Mohammed Moses. Oh my gosh. That's pretty funny. Play the name game guys. It's so much fun. Yeah. So talk's gonna be back, huh? So you guys are gonna be back in the fall? What are you doing? Actually, we're going to be here in Denver at Levitt Pavilion. Oh, yeah. The week after the Andy Show, August 16th. You got my boy. What? Michael Wilbur opening. Yeah, man, we've played a lot of music with him. We recorded a song he's killing. He's like, the best sax player in the world. I say. Ah, that's debatable. Well, from this perspective. But that's my guy, though. No, no, I'm not saying like the most like I'm not saying he's like the best sax player in terms of like, fun to listen to or like even like, but he can play like just like he's he literally can play anything. That's what I'm getting at more than like and like maybe he's not the best musician on the saxophone ever, but like, as far as his limitations on saxophone, I don't think he has any. No. And I think his music is killer.

42:48 It's dope. It's so it's like it's like EDM with jazz. And he's cool. He's not a. Vanguard. Oh yeah, he's dope. He works out. He like respects. He's not like one of those guys that's like a badass. Yeah, he's humble, he's chill, and he's really easy to get along with. Like writing music with him was Yeah. Seamless. He's a creative guy. Loved it. He has very basically no limits on the horn, though. He's killing. Did you see when he put that, uh, that cone in his. That's their thing. It's so sick. They've been doing that forever. Oh, man. To mess around with that in the studio. Other people are copying that now. Oh, yeah, I'm sure of it. Bitches. You should have just put a patent on that. Then they're all mad at I. But it's like you're just copying them anyway. Oh, yeah. I mean, AI is taking over.

43:29 AI with a parking cone. And not Allen Iverson. No, that'd be sick. That'd be sick if they turned into Allen. Yeah, he's a badass. So he's opening with you. Probably playing with you, too. Yeah, he's going to open, and then he'll probably play the tracks that we recorded with him, which are 2 or 3. That's cool. Yeah. Should be fun. I've been trying to get at Levitt with Talk Forever. Levitt rules. I love. It. It's a free show. It's a great time. So that's the eighth. August 16th. Oh, so it's two weeks after. Yeah, that's my girlfriend's birthday. Hey, so you're not coming? No. That means I am coming. Bring your gal. And she. Like good. Times. She likes it. She's probably working. On some jam music. She loves jam bands. Her favorite bands. Umphrey's McGee. Oh, okay. Girl. How does she feel about Chris not being in the band?

44:09 Well, she's not that into it. Oh, okay. She hasn't. Seen. Him yet. She's not, like, a dork. She just likes to go to their shows. You know what I mean? Fair enough. She's too attractive to be that unknown for. You. Oh. That's amazing. Yeah. No, she likes Umphrey's and talk and all that kind of stuff. She's a rocker. Well, I appreciate her for liking talk. She'll come out. Maybe I'll bring her out. She's not working some Elton John or something, you know. She's always working. She worked for Metallica a couple weeks ago. I wanted to go to that show. I kind of don't like Metallica. I don't care about them. But I wanted to go. Just to see. Yeah, I bet it rips. Yeah, I was talking to Jeremy. What's your favorite? Like? Okay, so you're probably not like a big metal guy, right? I like racist.

44:49 Stuff, like. But. Okay. So who's your favorite metal band? Dream theater. Oh, okay. You like the polished? Sort of. I can't do his voice, though. It's Mike Portnoy for me, though. Mike Portnoy is like the opposite of Lars. It's him. For me. He's the opposite of Lars as a drummer. Yeah, but I just love. I love his playing. I think it's tasty. And for, like, what they're doing, it's like it's perfect. Did you ever, uh, check out Liquid Tension Experiment? No. What's that? It's like dream theater without a singer. It's like. I think it's. Yeah. So it's basically instrumental dream theater. It's, like, mostly the same guys. I can't remember the guitar players. Okay, I. Will definitely check that out. Is it Patitucci?

45:31 I mean, he's playing jacks like I like girls. I don't. Know. I get laid, dude. I. Don't care. Dream theater. Okay, what about like, of those 80s ones that are, like, more famous, like Metallica, mines, Megadeth? They're sneaky good. You should check it out. I would go Primus. Ooh, they're playing Red rocks tonight. Tonight? They got that new drummer. Did you audition for that? I definitely didn't. I didn't even get a call, which I'm not. No, it wasn't like that. You just like, threw. It was like. A. Oh, you gotta throw in a little audition tape. Yeah. Some guy one in Arkansas. Uh frasco knows him, can't remember what band he's in. But I didn't even. Isn't that crazy? I mean. To go from that to getting that gig. It's crazy to get big gigs like that in general. But he didn't like scale up.

46:12 He went from like local band from Arkansas to. I. Mean. He went from playing garages to. And he like, won it through like a televised audition, which is kind of a lot. Good for him. That's like the American Idol way of things. Yeah, I like it. It is kind of. Yeah. I don't mind those singing shows sometimes. Oh, no, some of them are really ridiculous. I actually auditioned for American Idol back in the day. You should do the voice. The voice is killing. I like the voice because they don't have, like, they don't make fun of people they don't like, have bad people on. Just like, right. Just to rip folks. I think they do that less in American Idol now. I think probably someone probably did it, did the thing, you know what I mean? Last time I actually watched one of those shows. Sometimes when I'm it's uplifting. If you just put on YouTube and put on best auditions, America's Got Talent.

46:54 Do you know about the, um, Sunday's Best? It's the gospel version of that. Oh my God, yes, I do know about this. I used to watch it, I told him. Yeah, it's probably way better. It's killing. It's like so many runs. That's the one that I actually did watch. More than anything. When gospel singers start competing, it can go wrong. Oh, it can go really bad. But some of the judges, some of the. I mean, it was Kirk Franklin. I was gonna say I. Was the first person I was. Gonna. Say. It's Kirk Franklin, too, judging that shit. Donnie McClurkin, I think was. And he's an OG. What about, like, um, Melvin? Yolanda Adams was like the. And she's a great singer. Kim Burrell ever on it? Yeah. I don't know if she was a judge, though. People got kind of mad at her recently. I can't remember why. Who's the singer? That was like asking people to donate more. He's going to lock the doors.

47:36 Oh, Marvin Sapp, not Melvin. Marvin. Yeah, yeah, Melvin. Marvin Sapp. And that was so weird because they took that out of. I mean, listen, we don't we can go into the religion. Let's go into it of it. I like talking religion. It's just really funny how people take certain clips and then run with like, that's Bible. Who knows what. Well, yeah, he's also not a pastor, is he? I think he is probably. I think he is. Probably got both. Yeah, I mean, he's a great musician. But. People don't know this. But there was a group from the 90s and 80s called commissioned that had Fred Hammond. Oh, shit. Marvin Sapp and like, two other dudes that I can't remember. There's a pop version of that band. It was. I can't remember what it's called, but it was Babyface and L.A. Reid were in the. Oh, yeah.

48:20 Yeah. Um. Cincinnati and Indy. Because Babyface is from Indianapolis, right? Yeah. And it was like the groove or something real simple. All those badass bands. Before those guys get famous, they all have one word. Yeah, it was killing. It was like it was boys to men, but gospel. What do you think? I have a theory about band names now that we're on band names. Oh ho ho ho. Yeah, let's do it. Okay, so I remember that jam band thing I posted. Did you see that video? I posted some video about? Jam band names are all bad. Yes I did. Drug dealer, yada yada. But I kind of have had a revelation that almost every band name is bad after like 1992, because they're all taken. Everything good's taken number one. And I think that people think like one guy argued to me. He's like he said, Grateful Dead's a good band name. That's they are. That is good.

49:02 But it's also 1965 when they came up. Yeah, I was gonna say that's. Phish, I would argue is a bad band name, but. I agree. No, no disrespect. I like the band, but but because they're famous, it's been so normalized. Oh yeah, for sure. That it's people think it's a good band name now. It's it's because of the hype. So like. Exactly. So it's like our band name is only good if the band gets famous. The tree. The tree is that. That'd be a good band name. That's better than most of jam band band names out there. That doesn't make no sense. I know, but. Nothing. But like, what's a sample of like a famous band? Like, actually, Radiohead's a good band name. That's a great band. Yeah, so maybe I'm wrong, but maybe there's a couple. Left, but.

49:42 They might name their band before 1992. Do you know that band anybody? Yeah, that's kind of a good band name. That's a great band name and that's a great band. Jazz. Nasty jazz. People have more leeway, I think, too, with that. Yeah. They also are probably more intelligent. Imagine Dragons, do you think? I think I would hate that band name if I. I don't know, I think that's kind of cool. But are you being affected by the fact that they're famous, though? Yes. Yeah. You are. I imagine dragons. Yeah. If they were, if they were terrible, I'd be like, that's a dumb name. No one imagines that band. There's like two people that have ever imagined. There's two people that have ever imagined. Dragons. J.R.R. Tolkien and, uh, who's the Game of Thrones guy? Oh. Yeah.

50:26 Right. Right, right. George R.R.. Martin. Those are the guys. So they you think they like, loved Imagine Dragons? No, they probably, like, picked it out of a hat. No, no. The write the authors. Do you think? Oh, 000. Sick band likes what I like. No, that's what I do I imagine dragons. Imagine dragons all the time. That band weirds me out. He's too jacked too. I don't like when musicians get too jacked like that. Lead singers. Man. Honestly, I would love to get jacked like that. But I feel like. You're a drummer. It's different. Yeah. You're right. It looks cool when you guys are in shape. It looks like you practice all the. Time, but we don't. But like a guy like Jared Leto's a singer. And like, I go on this all the time. I'm always harping on Jared Leto, but. Is he jacked? Yeah, he's got abs for sure, but he's got, like, skinny guy abs. I was gonna say that's different than, like. Heroin. ABS, abs.

51:08 Why don't you get, like, over 44 off? It's difficult, man. Especially if you like pizza and pasta and all that. Can't eat that stuff and have a six pack. That's, like, impossible. Yeah. I want to enjoy my life and die younger. That's. You know what I mean? That I, I, you know, it's funny. I go to New York and I save my bread intake for New York. That makes a hell of sense. So when I come back to Denver, it's fruit and juice. Since I got back, it's been watermelon, cherries, blackberries, the fruits. Really good here, by the way. Yeah, actually. A lot. Of it I can't find, like, black seeded watermelon to save my life. Yeah, outside of the farmer's market. They're better in the South. Oh, that's where they grow. I mean, everything's. Better with Costa Rica. There's some peaches out here. That slap though. Yeah. If you get them at, like, a little stand somewhere on federal. Mhm. Sprouts. Sprouts has good produce.

51:51 They do, but not the one on Colfax. I can't shop at sprouts because I can't cook. And sprouts is just like a store of ingredients. It really is. That's why I hate about that store. Like Trader Joe's is the philosophical opposite of sprouts. If you go to Trader Joe's, it's like, oh, it's delicious. If I had to pick one and never go to the other one again, I think I would probably pick Trader Joe's. Yeah, they have hidden snacks. They have delicious things in every corner. They also have really good ginger. They sell produce. They what? Ginger snap cookies. I'm a fiend. You are? Yes. Anything? Ginger. Honestly, I didn't think you really ate desserts. You kind of give me. Like I don't eat dessert. I am a sweet. I could see you being like. I don't eat white flour. Oh, man, I wish I'd have a six pack. We have a eight.

52:31 Pack if I didn't eat white flour. But I'm from. I'm born and raised in New York, so it's really difficult to not. Get. A kaiser roll or a sesame. Bread. Or, you know, pizza and pasta and croissants. Er. I mean, bagels aren't really good anywhere but there, huh? Unless it's like somebody from. It's very rare. I would put them in the whole East Coast. It's kind of like I've had great bagels from Pennsylvania. Fair enough. And Jersey. Where there's more Jewish people. Right? Wherever there's Jewish people. It's like kind of like. But like, it's just much easier. You can get a good bagel here, but it's much easier to get a good bagel on the East Coast. And like, at, just like by a gas station. I was gonna say, you can go to the corner store. Yeah, exactly.

53:16 Most bodega spot and just get a bagel and just be like, yo, just put butter and jelly on a toasted. And it's like, the best thing here. You have to go to, like, a store. The place that has, like, an Instagram account. They're in Denver food scene. Yeah. Best bagel in Denver. It's just as good as New York, we promise. Get in here right now. An iced coffee is 750. No! You fucking lying. The lines around the door and it's 95 degrees outside. Everybody's hungover from cocaine the night. Before, but come get your best bagel. Yeah, but get us in every get everything bagel. Oh, that sounds so good. Right now. We're across the street from a music venue. That does sound good right now. Yeah, it's kind of like fried chicken in the South. You can just get, like, the best meal you've ever had.

53:58 Literally at a gas station. It's the best. Out of gas. I'd be getting gas three times a day. There was this gas station in Texas. I can't remember because I was on tour, and I literally just woke up and they were like, yo, this is supposed to be the best spot to get barbecue. And I was like, what? We're the gas station. Looks like something out of. And then it was. And it was fire. It was so good. I got a pulled pork sandwich and potato salad and baked beans, and it was like, better than anything I've ever had. Barbecue is another one of those things that's been like, uh, gentrified. Oh, and you get it here and it's like, comes on like a prison tray, and it looks. And you get like one slab of beef. There's a new place by my house that's pretty good. I'm not gonna give him a free plug, but. Okay, I'll get that information from you later. No, it's like it's right by sprouts. It's like where that Steve snap and the dog used to be. Okay, it's pretty good, man.

54:41 Uh, but it's like good servings. You get to pick your own amount of sauce. Okay? Don't put the sauce on it for me, motherfucker. Nah, you better put the sauce on it and. Make. The sauce. Give me sides. I want sides of sauce. Yeah. They've, like, made all barbecue a la carte. Now that's weak. It's like you're going to MCL cafeteria. Give it to me in a brown paper bag and it's greasy. Yeah. I'm not trying to, like. That's what I. Want. I'm here for one reason only. Here for a good time. Not for a long time. Mhm. Anyway, back to this religion thing. Yes. You're a spiritual man right. I would say so. Yes. Do you ever ever ever like have issues with this hedonistic Denver lifestyle, that lifestyle that people have. Yeah. But I don't let. Like how do you balance that. Because I mean you're not like a saint, you know, you're not like a, you know, you're not celibate guy.

55:23 You're not like a I mean, you're on the you're. On the taking moments to you're. On the holy end. Yeah. I'm just saying you're not like a puritan where you're like, telling other people what to do. I don't want to infringe anything on anyone. But you don't want them to infringe on your life either. So how do you what's like the main thing you do to balance that? Pray honestly. Because when you talk to God for me. Mhm. Um that's when you see. That's what I like about you. You don't really push it on anybody. It's not about anybody else. It's literally about my own personal relationship with God. And that's why I think relationship is better than religion, because religion is man made. Religion is a personal relationship that is yours and you cultivate it.

56:04 You understand what it is like that when you live that, and you exemplify that, no one could ever take that from you, number one. And then you don't have to beat people over the head with the Bible. Number two, because you are embodying what you want people to understand. Yeah. And also like religion as a credit card sometimes. Oh, that's big facts. I don't want to fuck it. Yeah, it has a bank account. I don't want to fuck. I mean, it just goes to show, like churches don't have to pay taxes and all that other stuff. Yeah, it's just a it's so crazy. So how do you keep it from seeping into your life? These, these. There's a lot of demons here. There are a lot of demons. It's it's difficult. Honestly, I think that, like I said, prayer and being able to like, die to yourself.

56:45 Like, that's one of the biggest things that I do. What now? Die to yourself. What does that. Mean? So when you look in the mirror and you see some things that you really don't like about yourself, you got to come to grips with that. Oh, pray about it. Say, listen, this is not something that I want to be continuing living in. I don't want to be seen like this. These are my vices boom, boom, boom and boom. And this is how I need to be able to get a grip on them. And honestly. Yeah. It comes with discipline. And that's the hardest thing. Discipline our minds first because that's where it starts. And then, you know, being in a place where you can like communicate that to people. So then they're seeing you living out the things that you're talking about. And then maybe they do less. Exactly, exactly. Maybe not.

57:26 No cocaine, but less cocaine, but less. And then, you know, honestly, progression over perfection. You know, you know, if you shoot for perfection, you will fail. Uh, another thing with these demons in Denver. Well, they're everywhere, but we live in Denver, and some of them are very likable people that I get along with. Great. Yeah. And it's like, damn it. But you hold them in a box. That's true. Like you'll never really see me at, like, after parties or anything like that. Not because I don't want to be either. It's just because I'd rather be on my couch. I try to be home by 2 a.m.. No, I'm talking about. I'm a late night guy, though. Yeah, I'm an insomniac anyway. I mean. Once it starts turning to, like, eight dudes in the kitchen, I'm out. Bro. I'm not trying to talk about whatever business idea. You only have too many sausages in the kitchen. I'm gone on that. Never. What do they say?

58:10 Never go to a second location with a hippie. Or never go with a hippie. See, I don't even know that phrase. Because I don't. Never go to a. You never go with a hippie to a second location. It just. And then it's six in the morning, see? Regretting every. I'm already in my second dream. You have a lot of dreams. You sleep well. I think I sleep pretty good. You know what? I stopped smoking weed. And you slept better. You sleep better. And I sleep a million times better. My health is a lot better. I'm less inflamed. Oh, yeah? Yeah, because they say sometimes that THC reduces inflammation. That's what they said. But not everybody relaxes everything differently. My gut feels so much better. Maybe you're eating better because you're not high. That's part. That's part. Maybe it's the side effects. The non greasy chicken sandwiches at like 12 midnight. It's more like oh I got some grapes in the fridge. I have been really into grapes lately yo. I bust down some grapes real quick.

59:02 Put them in the fridge. Oh, man. Put them in the freezer and then put them in your freezer. Guy. Huh? They get a little too. I like them out of the fridge, but they're good. Out of the freezer. Put them in champagne. Yeah, and then thank me later. There's this new dessert they have. Or it's like a frozen treat at sprouts, where it's like grapes just dipped in sugar. They're frozen. It's terrible. It's so bad for you. Like, it turns the roof of your mouth into, like, a war zone. But turns turns the roof of your mouth into Call of Duty. It's like, sort of a healthier snack, but it's like, not, you know, but it is healthier than eating like, a pint of ice cream. Is it though? Yeah, because they hurt so bad. You only eat four of them. Oh. Fair enough. By the fourth one. And you're like, oh my God, fair enough.

59:43 I sour because they're sour too. Yeah. No. All right. You probably gotta get to this gig, huh? I probably should go, but I appreciate you having me. You got anything you want to plug? Shows coming up. Oh, yeah. The Levitt? Yeah. Levitt. It's gonna be fun. Free tickets. Get on an RSVP. Right. It's free. Right? It is free. I believe it is. Um. Look out for forever, Sinclair. DM me if you want to smell good. Yeah. All the good things. How much is a bottle? Um, I have three different sizes. Haha. Thanks for asking. I appreciate you. Soft, hard and soft. Okay, so this is the everyday travel size. Whoa. This is 45 bucks. They won't stop you with that at TCA. They sure won't. This is 75. It's just a little bit bigger. And how long would you say that lasts? This size lasts about a couple of months if you use it. Even if you use it every day, I think it would last. It's not an everyday thing.

1:00:27 About three, three months. It could be, it could be. But I would suggest getting two and rubbing them together. Ooh. Just like this is 120. Whoa. For, you know, the people who don't want to hit me up every three months. I like the container. It kind of looks like a the CBS makeup department. Yeah, I love this, um, this this little wrap here, I got it. You can't probably see, but it's gold foil. It's expensive. Oh, good. Girl. Girl. I know, you fucking lying child. I know you lying. You got any, uh. What? Do you have any motivation or, uh. That's what Andy always makes people do at the end. You got any, like, a message to the people for this week? Yeah, man. Love everyone.

1:01:07 Honestly, this world is going to hell on a scholarship, so please don't be a part of that. Literally. Yeah, it is, it is. And it's. Sad. Because people don't take loving other people seriously. Like you don't have to go be up under them, but literally just love, love people. It makes a difference. Or at least leave them alone. Yeah, like love them enough to leave him alone. Love him enough to leave him alone. Quote of the day. I like that. Love people enough to leave him alone. All right. Thanks, Isaac. Appreciate you. Andy. We'll be back next week. Love, Andy. I wish I had your fro, but I don't. Bye, everybody. Bye.